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Anyone else feeling old?
A 1991 mini is now 25 years old? Won't be long before all those 1960 efi, airbagged mpi's will be actually allowed here. Apart from
the ones that say they are 1960 of course...
A 1991 mini is now 25 years old? Won't be long before all those 1960 efi, airbagged mpi's will be actually allowed here. Apart from
the ones that say they are 1960 of course...
It's been fun, but this place is done. I have no hatred, and appreciate the good times. But this place now belongs to Tony and his pink mini.
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That is correct here as well. The state can use all the money it can get.our governors stamp our license plates. That is what i was trying to convey this whole time.
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Correct. As long as you are using the factory 17 digit vin number and it matches the stamped factory 2nd vin number and the car is 25 years old the boxes are all checked and there will be no problem registering in another State. Not sure on Illinois dealers but as a dealer in Florida you are required to register the car with a Florida title and pay the State sales tax if you register it in an individuals name before selling it.
If in doubt, flat out. Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.
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Exactly. I think there was just miscommunication. I didnt explain it properly. That is the process i use so customers should have no issue titling. I dont just hand over import paperwork and say good luck. I take the steps to get it titled to me first so I can be sure they can title it no problem.
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Now you have explained it i understand. I am very familiar with the import/export laws and you are lucky to be able to do that in Illinois, trust me all States do not have it and the problem is all 99X vin numbers are not 17 digits long which all US and UK vehicles are after 1980.
If in doubt, flat out. Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.
Give a car more power and it goes faster on the straights,
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In illinois (not saying every state) you can do an amendment with photo proof. My car had both numbers. the saxxl was on a rover tag to the left (if facing car) by where the hood closes. I have shown information from reliable sources to the dmv and they understand the two number thing. After all subsequent forms were submitted they issue a title to the saxxl number. After this the import paperwork is no longer required to register a car because the illinois title becomes the authentic american title for the car. I have never come across a state that asks for the import papers on top of a state title. The dmv gets a thick manual that shows what authentic titles look like state to state and year to year. They compare security features(IE watermarks,etc) If necessary which has never happened they get on the horn to illinois secretary of state. essentially the japanese vin is phased out due to the oe manufacturers number being on the car and matching the title. Once i have the state of illinois title it them becomes the same as if i sold my personal 96 M3 to someone out of state. No different even though it is imported
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Originally Posted by ItalianJobber
Do you mean the factory vin on the tag from rover? By the condenser? That is what i did on the last one and i am not saying the one i showed papers for went to cali. It went to Wisconsin. I understand what you are saying but when it comes to vin check time if the number on the rover tag is used and the inspector sees it then how can they refute. It is on the manufacturer tag. That looks similar to this. I am not saying this exact one. I couldnt find a pic of an actual rover tag
Just trying to point out the problems that may or may not arise depending on which State the car is registered in.
If in doubt, flat out. Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.
Give a car more power and it goes faster on the straights,
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Do you mean the factory vin on the tag from rover? By the condenser? That is what i did on the last one and i am not saying the one i showed papers for went to cali. It went to Wisconsin. I understand what you are saying but when it comes to vin check time if the number on the rover tag is used and the inspector sees it then how can they refute. It is on the manufacturer tag. That looks similar to this. I am not saying this exact one. I couldnt find a pic of an actual rover tag
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In addition to that the first registration in the company is through Illinois. Once there is an Illinois title issued it is highly unlikely to be rejected because it would be the same thing as if someone moved from Illinois to the selected state or if you had a deceased relative that had a car in a different state. I could see problems if it was going straight from import paperwork to customers state but I take the steps to register every car in America before selling them on. Here is a photo of my last title to go with the car I gave the you the example for
Unless you are aware of the rules of every State offering a full refund if the car cannot be registered may come back and bite you.
To be safe it would be pertinent of you to only buy and re sell J spec Mini's with the factory vin numbers.
Just my opinion.
If in doubt, flat out. Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.
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Not all cars used the amber lights. Some used one, a rare few may have used both. One is sometimes used for a low oil pressure light. The other may have been used on the few early cars that had a plugged filter warning light. Some people have re-purposed those amber lamps to operate as left and right turn signal indicators. Others will not use those amber lamps at all.
The red ign warning light indicates the dynamo / alternator is delivering more voltage than the battery. It doesn't tell you how much power its making, but when idling, the red light is often on dimly showing that the dyno / alt isn't making more than 13.2 volts.
Also, many alternators need that feed through the correctly sized "ign" warning light is important to function correctly.
Car engines make CO2 and trees absorb CO2. By running your engine you're feeding a tree and helping the environment.
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Still wouldn't work for California though................................
Mini's are like buses they come along in a bunch
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In addition to that the first registration in the company is through Illinois. Once there is an Illinois title issued it is highly unlikely to be rejected because it would be the same thing as if someone moved from Illinois to the selected state or if you had a deceased relative that had a car in a different state. I could see problems if it was going straight from import paperwork to customers state but I take the steps to register every car in America before selling them on. Here is a photo of my last title to go with the car I gave the you the example for
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Saxxl2s1n02480193 was the number on the rover tag to the left of the condenser and the 99x number was on the floor of trunk or "boot" I noted it in the papers. It went through. I see what you are saying but there is a very minimal risk with the diligence I do and if there is an issue with the state of register I offer a full refund upon submission of a reject letter. I think we can all agree that if they reject the car a letter will be provided why it rejected. When this letter is provided I will give a full refund no questions asked.
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"Smiths Gauges"
Come on people….keep it simple. Start another thread on Jap spec cars etc. if need be.
Come on people….keep it simple. Start another thread on Jap spec cars etc. if need be.
"Everybody should own a MINI at some point, or you are incomplete as a human being" - James May
"WET COOPER", Partsguy1 (Terry Snell of Penticton BC ) - Could you send the money for the unpaid parts and court fees.
Ordered so by a Judge
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The serial number on that Japanese export certificate is a Japanese number that is stamped after it arrives in Japan not the original one it came with from the factory which would start with SAXX not 99X.
Now that may not be a problem in the great state of Illinois but trust me it is a big problem in other States where they only register imported cars with TWO serial numbers verified, this will be the original one issued in the UK usually on the right inner fender and the second "secret" location one which they both should match.
Like i said not a problem for you but maybe a problem when your customer cannot register the car and comes back to you personally or your dealer bond for a full refund (or more).
An even bigger problem for you would be if this was discovered at the port as you would have to forfeit the Mini or if they let you send it back to where it came from at your expense plus possible fines and storage charges.
Japanese Mini's used the 99X number system for a few years by 1992 most of them went back to the original SAXX number.
Now that may not be a problem in the great state of Illinois but trust me it is a big problem in other States where they only register imported cars with TWO serial numbers verified, this will be the original one issued in the UK usually on the right inner fender and the second "secret" location one which they both should match.
Like i said not a problem for you but maybe a problem when your customer cannot register the car and comes back to you personally or your dealer bond for a full refund (or more).
An even bigger problem for you would be if this was discovered at the port as you would have to forfeit the Mini or if they let you send it back to where it came from at your expense plus possible fines and storage charges.
Japanese Mini's used the 99X number system for a few years by 1992 most of them went back to the original SAXX number.
If in doubt, flat out. Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.
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make a car lighter and it's faster everywhere. Colin Chapman.
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nov 2 1990 to nov 2 2015 is 25 years. It is may 23 2016. This car has been legal for over six months now. I title cars in Illinois(One of the strictest states due to all the financial issues with our state govt). I am certain of my cars. I receive them from my brother who lives in Japan. Whether you guys want to believe it or not I could care less. It is just annoying when (Ill say it again) NONE of you have bought a car from me. So how would you have experience in how I do things. Just because others have done things wrong it is not fair to lump me in with them. So keep doing your thing. And trust me those of you that are worried about your cars value tumbling. The wave is coming. You cant avoid it. There are more and more cars hitting our shores everyday. Soon the elitists will be outnumbered.
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That is a very good article but when I physically have the deregistration papers in my hand and the vin number it is hard to argue with japan transportation ministry. I have all supporting documents from japan stating the proper year. Does anyone have a vin decoder? On of my cars was SAXXL2S1N20480193. I have submitted the deregistration cert from japan for a recent car. I had to trim it down because the pdf was to big. I do my due diligence. So perhaps this will appease the gods that I am doing this properly like I have stated OVER and OVER and OVER again.
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And yet the majority of Rover Minis, not to mention most anything remaining in Japan are illegal in the US.... It seems to me that someone in your 'business' would do EVERYTHING possible to avoid annoying the Classic Mini community at large.... much of which is on this forum. You'll find that it takes only one sketchy transaction to bring into question the REST of your deals, and the last thing you want is that kind of attention!
From your tone, I suspect you may not know Minis all that well, and may well be innocent of willful shenanigans and flexible VIN numbers. However, no amount of notarizing will help if unscrupulous sellers in other countries have pulled the wool over YOUR eyes, and it can be shown that you imported and sold an illegal car. It could very well end up compressed into a milk crate, and your buyer coming after you with his notarized documents!
Here is a post I wrote talking about the "Re-VIN" game. It may well be that the "pricks" are trying to save your hide, and your belligerence won't help your cause at all!
https://classicmini.wordpress.com/2016/01/13/what-car-did-i-just-buy-the-re-vin-game-and-classic-minis/
From your tone, I suspect you may not know Minis all that well, and may well be innocent of willful shenanigans and flexible VIN numbers. However, no amount of notarizing will help if unscrupulous sellers in other countries have pulled the wool over YOUR eyes, and it can be shown that you imported and sold an illegal car. It could very well end up compressed into a milk crate, and your buyer coming after you with his notarized documents!
Here is a post I wrote talking about the "Re-VIN" game. It may well be that the "pricks" are trying to save your hide, and your belligerence won't help your cause at all!
https://classicmini.wordpress.com/2016/01/13/what-car-did-i-just-buy-the-re-vin-game-and-classic-minis/
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mur.. wonder if italian jobber has figured out to check and change the radiator bearings yet?? later bc
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Originally Posted by Jamison70
ItalianJobber,
I'm sorry for the way you've been treated on this forum. I'm fairly new to this forum myself and I've probably asked some dumb questions (in your minds). Two years ago I purchased a 1987 Austin Mini and this forum has been a great resource. But... all of you who've been flaming ItalianJobber should be ashamed of yourselves! I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for saying that.
Plus I completely disagree that he's watering down the market. The demand only seems to be going up and so do the prices. And if that's what you're worried about, then you probably own the wrong car!
James
I'm sorry for the way you've been treated on this forum. I'm fairly new to this forum myself and I've probably asked some dumb questions (in your minds). Two years ago I purchased a 1987 Austin Mini and this forum has been a great resource. But... all of you who've been flaming ItalianJobber should be ashamed of yourselves! I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for saying that.
Plus I completely disagree that he's watering down the market. The demand only seems to be going up and so do the prices. And if that's what you're worried about, then you probably own the wrong car!
James
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