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 Posted: Jul 26, 2014 12:41PM
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I had a 67 Morris Traveller that was what I considered a "crossover" car.  It was for all intents and purposes, a MK1.  It had MK1 interior, lower dash, switches, binnicle, steering wheel & horn button, indicator stalk, etc.  Beyond that, it had a MK1 speedo but the oil pressure guage and temp guage were MK2.  It also had MK2 grille and front badge.  The car had original paint on it and had never had and front end damage that I could detect.  Oh yeah, it also had a MK1 M/A W VIN number.I think the Heritage Certificate had a build date either mid to late summer of 67.

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 Posted: Jul 26, 2014 11:50AM
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wow....the 20,000 number is much higher than I thought.....so possibly a lot of MkIII running around

I think the majority of that number must be as suggested by Parnell and down in OZ as the MK III S is i believe has been quoted as the rarest S (again probably based on UK figures). I know over here and in the UK i have seen more MK I and II S's at shows than MK III's for sure but they are hard to spot as they are a bit plain compared to other S models lol.

If in doubt, flat out. Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.

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 Posted: Jul 26, 2014 10:23AM
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wow....the 20,000 number is much higher than I thought.....so possibly a lot of MkIII running around

 

"Everybody should own a MINI at some point, or you are incomplete as a human being" - James May

"WET COOPER", Partsguy1 (Terry Snell of Penticton BC ) - Could you send the money for the unpaid parts and court fees.
Ordered so by a Judge

 

 

 

 Posted: Jul 26, 2014 06:40AM
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:-)
Actually there were over 2000 MkIII S made up until 71 I believe

According to Parnell Matthew the totals for 1970 and 1971 were 792 home market cars (my reference) 18719 export possibly including CKD cars for a total of 19511 which seems hard to believe :-)

If in doubt, flat out. Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.

Give a car more power and it goes faster on the straights,
make a car lighter and it's faster everywhere. Colin Chapman.

 Posted: Jul 25, 2014 05:23PM
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:-)
Actually there were over 2000 MkIII S made up until 71 I believe

 

"Everybody should own a MINI at some point, or you are incomplete as a human being" - James May

"WET COOPER", Partsguy1 (Terry Snell of Penticton BC ) - Could you send the money for the unpaid parts and court fees.
Ordered so by a Judge

 

 

 

 Posted: Jul 25, 2014 05:13PM
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Yes it is one of those things once you notice it it seems to jump out at you afterwards every time you look at one ...... It might be one of those ultra rare MK III S's that they made 800 of and there are still 1800 on the road lol.

If in doubt, flat out. Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.

Give a car more power and it goes faster on the straights,
make a car lighter and it's faster everywhere. Colin Chapman.

 Posted: Jul 25, 2014 09:26AM
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MalSal, now that I look at a few, that's an excellent way to tell if the entire rear panel is MKII or just replaced taillights.  The screen is noticibally wider than the boot on a MKII.  

  The original reason for posting is now moot- the seller has stated that it's a MKIII. Hence, no external hinges either, which I couldn't tell from the photos very easily.  So much for a '67 S body shell, cheap and close to home.  It's always too much to hope for, isn't it?

 Posted: Jul 25, 2014 08:53AM
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I was only considering the predominante Mini: the english built saloon.

Usually, when someone writes about Elfs, Hornets, Mokes, Contryman, Travelers, Clubman, Trucks and non-England Mini saloons, they specify which.

Also, as I have an early MKII, I have a sample to go by.

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I've never seen or heard of a factory "crossover" on the tail lights. The most common crossover part I find is the rear quarter windows crossing over backwards; i.e., late English built Mk Is with the Mk II rear quarters.

One could argue that the Australian cars keeping Mk I tail lights (and Mk I rear windows) were crossovers.

CA2S: don't forget Elf/Hornet Mk II and MK III, Mk II Estates, Inno MK 2 and Mk 3, South African Mk 3.

 Posted: Jul 24, 2014 09:53PM
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correction : a Morris MKI is KA2S4 and MKII is KA2S6

Russ

 

 Posted: Jul 24, 2014 09:43PM
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One easy way to tell a late MKI from an early MKII is the serial number.

A MKI iS CA2S7 while a MKII is CA2SB for Austin or MA2S7 and MA2SB for Morris.

It is easier to put a MKI grille on a MKII than to put a MKII rear panel on a MKI.

If someone were to cut holes in a MKI rear panel to fit MKII lamps, the two mouting brackets welded across the holes, or lack of, would be a give-away.

The only parts on my early MKII that I have been able to find that are carried over are the MKI switches and cable pulls, but they are in a MKII switch panel.

I wonder why they bothered calling it a MKII (the only Mini with an official factory mark number).

There are actually very few changes, and none are major.

Russ

 

 

 

 Posted: Jul 24, 2014 07:16AM
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Easiest way to tell is the MkI's rear screen is around the same width visually as the boot lid when viewed from behind, later ones are noticeably wider.

If in doubt, flat out. Colin Mc Rae MBE 1968-2007.

Give a car more power and it goes faster on the straights,
make a car lighter and it's faster everywhere. Colin Chapman.

 Posted: Jul 24, 2014 06:40AM
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Thanks Meb.  I was mostly asking because I was looking at a shell advertised in Cars for Sale.  It's advertised as a '67 Cooper shell, the crossover year.  It has MKI front and MKII tailights.  Can't tell from the photos if the entire rear has been replaced- I'm not that good at telling the difference between MKI and MKII rear window, whcih would be a dead giveaway.  The shell is close to me, but don't want to bother with it if it's been futzed with too much.  

Guess I can just ask the seller...

 

 Posted: Jul 24, 2014 06:18AM
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Things such as the rear quarter window, bootlid and some interior trim pieces were documented as crossover items, but the grille and tailights were not. 

You have to first determine what you have(MK1 or MKII) and when it was built. If it's a genuine UK MKII it should have the MKII rectangular taillights and larger rear window. There waa no crossover regarding the taillights and larger rear window. The grille was also changed with the MKII.

So if you have a car with MKII tailights and MK1 grille it's either a MK1 on which a previous owner changed the tailights, or a MKII where someone swapped in a MK1 grille. These may not have been done because of damage. When the MKII was introduced it was not unusual for some owners to "modernize" their MK1 cars by switching out the tailights to MKII style. And lately quite a few MKII and later cars have had their grilles changed to the MK1 type.

 Posted: Jul 24, 2014 04:26AM
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When MKI became MKII in '67, I know there were lots of small crossover pieces that would lead some "MKI" cars to have some telltale "MKII" traits.  Would a MKI front end/ grille with MKII taillights most likely indicate a car built in that crossover period, or most likely indicate repaired damage or replacement through the years?  What happened first- taillight enlargement or front end updating?